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	<title>Comments on: God and Government (Part 1): Should women rule over men?</title>
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		<title>By: Barry Wallace</title>
		<link>http://barrywallace.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/god-and-government-part-1-should-women-rule-over-men/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification, Laurie.  In his providence, God does indeed place women in positions of leadership at times; but I agree that it is a shame upon the men who have abdicated their responsibility to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification, Laurie.  In his providence, God does indeed place women in positions of leadership at times; but I agree that it is a shame upon the men who have abdicated their responsibility to lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links.  I do hold pretty much to Calvin&#039;s perspective on this matter.  And to clarify, when I say &quot;it is clear that in civil government God at times raises them up&quot;, I mean that primarily from the standpoint of providence, understanding that all government is established by God, even if it happens to come in the form a woman.  I do not mean that to be an endorsement.  It would seem, from Scripture that, female leadership, is a judgement of sorts upon men, a shame upon them.  When God raises up a woman ruler, it&#039;s time for men to take a good long look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links.  I do hold pretty much to Calvin&#8217;s perspective on this matter.  And to clarify, when I say &#8220;it is clear that in civil government God at times raises them up&#8221;, I mean that primarily from the standpoint of providence, understanding that all government is established by God, even if it happens to come in the form a woman.  I do not mean that to be an endorsement.  It would seem, from Scripture that, female leadership, is a judgement of sorts upon men, a shame upon them.  When God raises up a woman ruler, it&#8217;s time for men to take a good long look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Wallace</title>
		<link>http://barrywallace.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/god-and-government-part-1-should-women-rule-over-men/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Andy&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;Laurie&lt;/b&gt;,

Thanks for weighing in.  I&#039;ve thought about this quite a bit in the last few months.  I think I&#039;m in complete agreement with Piper, point for point, on this one, even though I had no idea what his position was before today.

Did you know that Piper&#039;s interpretation isn&#039;t unique, historically?  John Knox, and to a lesser extent John Calvin, both opposed women holding positions of authority in civil government.  You can explore &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/govtwome.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that topic here&lt;/a&gt;, if you&#039;d like.

Piper&#039;s position is actually more nuanced and less rigid toward women in government than that of some of the Reformers.  There are other contemporary writers, too, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-a-woman-a-heart-beat-away-a-biblical-evaluation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Chanski&lt;/a&gt;, who seem to hold a view similar to Piper&#039;s.

I would urge you to continue to think and pray and read more on the subject.  Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Andy</b> and <b>Laurie</b>,</p>
<p>Thanks for weighing in.  I&#8217;ve thought about this quite a bit in the last few months.  I think I&#8217;m in complete agreement with Piper, point for point, on this one, even though I had no idea what his position was before today.</p>
<p>Did you know that Piper&#8217;s interpretation isn&#8217;t unique, historically?  John Knox, and to a lesser extent John Calvin, both opposed women holding positions of authority in civil government.  You can explore <a href="http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/govtwome.htm" rel="nofollow">that topic here</a>, if you&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>Piper&#8217;s position is actually more nuanced and less rigid toward women in government than that of some of the Reformers.  There are other contemporary writers, too, like <a href="http://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-a-woman-a-heart-beat-away-a-biblical-evaluation/" rel="nofollow">Mark Chanski</a>, who seem to hold a view similar to Piper&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I would urge you to continue to think and pray and read more on the subject.  Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that those references refer specifically to the church.  I do not think it preferable to have women rulers, though it is clear that in civil government God at times raises them up.  The story of Deborah has already been referenced.  You may add Huldah, the prophetess, to your references, in 1 Kings 22:14.  The good king Josiah and the high priest went to this woman, who at that time was God&#039;s spokesperson to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that those references refer specifically to the church.  I do not think it preferable to have women rulers, though it is clear that in civil government God at times raises them up.  The story of Deborah has already been referenced.  You may add Huldah, the prophetess, to your references, in 1 Kings 22:14.  The good king Josiah and the high priest went to this woman, who at that time was God&#8217;s spokesperson to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article and I do not agree with Piper. I think the leadership issue in Paul is a spiritual in the context of home and church leadership.

But if God has gifted a women with leadership qualities, I do not see the issue with her in that role outside of the spiritual leadership role.

Saying a good woman is better than a bad man seems to be a poor way to say a woman may be more gifted to governmental leadership than a man.

Comparing Israel to America is not a good way to go either. Israel was to be a nation of priests to the unbelieving world, making them the spiritual light for all of us to follow. The spiritual leadership was entwined in the civil and military issues Israel faced as a result of God choosing them. To say America is on a spiritual leadership par with Israel would be arrogant, God never picked us for that role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article and I do not agree with Piper. I think the leadership issue in Paul is a spiritual in the context of home and church leadership.</p>
<p>But if God has gifted a women with leadership qualities, I do not see the issue with her in that role outside of the spiritual leadership role.</p>
<p>Saying a good woman is better than a bad man seems to be a poor way to say a woman may be more gifted to governmental leadership than a man.</p>
<p>Comparing Israel to America is not a good way to go either. Israel was to be a nation of priests to the unbelieving world, making them the spiritual light for all of us to follow. The spiritual leadership was entwined in the civil and military issues Israel faced as a result of God choosing them. To say America is on a spiritual leadership par with Israel would be arrogant, God never picked us for that role.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

Thanks for commenting.  I&#039;m very familiar with those arguments and examples, of course, but I don&#039;t think they settle the question.  Just curious--did you read John Piper&#039;s article?  If so, I&#039;d like to hear your thoughts about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.  I&#8217;m very familiar with those arguments and examples, of course, but I don&#8217;t think they settle the question.  Just curious&#8211;did you read John Piper&#8217;s article?  If so, I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The verses refer to teaching spiritual things in the church.  I do not believe that they extend outside of the body of Christ.

Also, we have the example of Deborah in Judges chapters 4 and 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verses refer to teaching spiritual things in the church.  I do not believe that they extend outside of the body of Christ.</p>
<p>Also, we have the example of Deborah in Judges chapters 4 and 5.</p>
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